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Anathollo

Armorall is my choice of lube
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Recommendations on pistol RDS?

I know Trijicon is considered the gold standard by many. Biggest drawbacks are the price and having to remove it to replace the battery.

Many then say Holosun. I read mixed reviews that range from "Just as good as the Trijicon, but cheaper and has a side load battery" to "weird glue issues and flicker." Also, made in China (not necessarily bad, but China).

I saw someone mention that the Leupold Delta Point Pro is $100 off right now, making it ~$350. Drawback is that is still isn't cheap and the body is large, which blocks co-witness even if you have suppressor height sights.

I'm currently leaning toward the EOtech EFLX. The price point is around the same as the Leupold DPP (on sale), and it uses the same base. I've read reviews that folks say the screws that come with it are either too short or too long to mount to the frame. Retail is $389, but I'm seeing it around $369 online if you can find it in stock. Supposedly has a very large window, which could impact concealability. "Assembled in USA"

Vortex seems like a solid option, but they apparently suffer from a flicker as a results of a very low refresh rate. I've heard they use very cheap components, which is likely how they can get in the $150-250 range

Swampfox is another that I see people claim to love. I've never really heard of them outside of mRDS, and therefore liken them to just about any other knockoff, cheap RDS.

I have a Crimson Trace that came with an M&P and it has held zero until I put the suppressor on. Not sure if the red dot lost zero or the lower projectile grain weight and suppressor combo just shifted the point of impact. Need to get back to the range to test without the suppressor to see if it is still on zero.

This is intended to be on an EDC, so I want reliability and concealability. Willing to BOCO (buy once, cry once). I figure there are folks on here who nerd out on this stuff much more than I do, so I want your educated opinions.
EDC- Trijicon.

Fun range toy- Holosun
 

CowboyTaco

Well-Known Member
There are a lot of used trijicon on the market near me. Would that be absolutely foolish, or perfectly fine?




 

PSU Taco85

Well-Known Member
I have a few trijicons and a few holosuns. No experience with the others but IMO the trijicon is the best quality you can get (not necessarily for your money). The holosun has the best quality for the price RDS, their warranty is really good (My buddy had a cracked lense and got a replacement) and I've had no issues with any of them I've had. I plan to support them even though made in china, unfortunately the Chinese can have us beat in some things. I normally like to support american made products but for my EDC I will take a chance (which is why I use suppressor height sites to cowitness in case of failure), I figure if the RDS works with slanty eyes my big fat american eyes it will only be better.
 

PSU Taco85

Well-Known Member
Picked up a golden boy after work today
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Anathollo

Armorall is my choice of lube
Staff member
There are a lot of used trijicon on the market near me. Would that be absolutely foolish, or perfectly fine?




You just have to verify it's a real RMR and not an airsoft knockoff.
 

PSU Taco85

Well-Known Member
Anybody have any experience with Burris scopes? I bought a scout 2-7 to put on the 45-70 since optics planed had a 4th of July sale, it got good reviews and the only thing comparable was a Leupold Scout but my brief looks online and reviews was that the eye relief of the Leupold was not great enough for it to be considered a scout scope.
 

balakay

BabyMax
Anybody have any experience with Burris scopes? I bought a scout 2-7 to put on the 45-70 since optics planed had a 4th of July sale, it got good reviews and the only thing comparable was a Leupold Scout but my brief looks online and reviews was that the eye relief of the Leupold was not great enough for it to be considered a scout scope.
No experience but I’ve been looking at their Signature HD line to replace the Nikon Monarch on my .257Wby
 

tx_shooter

It is not a war crime the first time.
Staff member
My father-in-law has a few Burris scopes that he swears are great scopes; but he does not shoot much so I take it with a grain of salt.
 

CowboyTaco

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The comments are filled with people saying this kid is going to jail. Curious what y'all think.

I think the lithe dude got shoved very hard by a dude twice his size into a corner he likely couldn't escape from. The mistake, maybe, was continuing to shoot as the big dude tried running away.

But... adrenaline in a stressful situation. Also, no telling if the big dude could have turned around with a weapon of his own.
 

Anathollo

Armorall is my choice of lube
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The comments are filled with people saying this kid is going to jail. Curious what y'all think.

I think the lithe dude got shoved very hard by a dude twice his size into a corner he likely couldn't escape from. The mistake, maybe, was continuing to shoot as the big dude tried running away.

But... adrenaline in a stressful situation. Also, no telling if the big dude could have turned around with a weapon of his own.
Little guy shot him in the back when the big guy was running away. This is gonna be a hard trial for this guy if the DA presses charges.
 

tx_shooter

It is not a war crime the first time.
Staff member
Kid is screwed. The DA absolutely should take that to a grand jury. The grand jury will most likely bill there is enough to take it to court based on the videos.

You shoot till the threat stops - be it till death OR contact is broken. It is clear the big dude broke contact after the 1st shot.

After that the kid is on adrenaline and continued to shoot when clearly there was no more threat. This is why we train and talk through these kind of situations.

"But... adrenaline in a stressful situation. Also, no telling if the big dude could have turned around with a weapon of his own."

That is why you can keep your gun at the ready or sights on the big dude - but not shoot. At the point you see a gun pointed behind him or he turns around with a gun then the threat is back and clear to engage with accurate volume to negate the threat.
 

Anathollo

Armorall is my choice of lube
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tx_shooter

It is not a war crime the first time.
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I can really see two sides to this situation playing out.

One - Big Guy had a reputation of a mean guy with his fists having hurt other people badly. The Smaller Guy was afraid for his life and said it when the shooting was over. Then when the police got there.

Two - the Smaller Guy had a history with the Big Guy. SG grabbed his pistol and picked a fight with the BG. The first hit was a setup to a "self defense" shooting and that the BG was not expected to run away from. So the SG had to keep shooting to make sure BG was dead dead.
 

CowboyTaco

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Not knowing the circumstances or any of the preceding events leaves it hard to say. Was SG just there minding his own business and got into a bad spot? Did the two have a history, or were they complete strangers? What did SG do to provoke BG? Even rage filled psychopaths generally only act when provoked.

I also can't find the video anywhere else online. I'd be very curious to see what some of the YouTubers that review that sort of thing would say....
 

AlienXtx

Nignog
With him being outside his vehicle I'm not sure how that will turn out. If it was Texas and he was inside then the home rules apply I believe.
 

CowboyTaco

Well-Known Member
With him being outside his vehicle I'm not sure how that will turn out. If it was Texas and he was inside then the home rules apply I believe.

He was still "trapped" in an area where he could not run. The car and the door prevented him from running. The big dude prevented him from getting in and closing the door. He probably could have gotten in and closed the door before BG got there though.
 

tx_shooter

It is not a war crime the first time.
Staff member
With him being outside his vehicle I'm not sure how that will turn out. If it was Texas and he was inside then the home rules apply I believe.

Outside of the vehicle but in the immediate and authorized area still falls under Castle Doctrine last time I dug into that direction. The cited examples being getting fuel, checking your mailbox, or walking between vehicle and apartment. As long as Small Guy was in an authorized location for a legal reason the Castle stands. The duration of shooting is the issue in my mind.
 
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