Mauzer
Pitter Patter. Lets Get at Er
Did she lose her job because she was raped? Is adoption illegal in your scenario?
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Are you OK with paying into welfare programs is the question here.
Mauzer
Pitter Patter. Lets Get at Er
I believe that private institutions (Ex: non-profits, religious organizations, etc) should provide care for people who can't afford their basic needs, but I am also ok with the government providing limited/timely assistance to those who meet enforced requirements.
In my experience it is almost always more effective for local organizations to provide "welfare assistance" than government agencies. The local food pantries all work together to ensure nobody is double dipping, local churches work together to ensure that nobody is milking the system, and so on. They do not measure success in the amount of people they are helping. Government agencies fail in that the more people they are "helping" the more they are succeeding so they have no incentive to keep people from double dipping or abusing the system.
Taco Loco
Tired and Lazy, married to ‘The Laundry Fairy’
TacoXpo
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I have worked with the homeless since 1990 when I thought I lost everything. I currently sit on a board of directors of an organization that helps many churches, private groups and government agencies with helping the homeless.
It is a complicated issue. I will say this, I am not terribly religious but there are SO MANY churches and synagogues that are very willing to help complete strangers regardless of religion. One such group is willing to pay 95% of rehab services for heroin addiction. The real problem issues come when a homeless person doesn't want help because all those people that are well intended actually make it so that they are more comfortable on the street than they are participating in society.
I personally took custody of someone that was 'not wanted' by his parents. It was not the easiest job but I know I did the right thing and he seems to be doing very well today. I also know a number of folks that have adopted and want to adopt more kids - and 50% of them are not of 'their same race.' There is a whole lot of love out there if properly arranged.
I only say that because abortion is much more than just a guy that doesn't want to be a man and take care of the resulting zygote from his sperm going into some love bucket.
Regarding the red herring of rape. There will always be abortion in this country. Just like making laws never changed drugs, prostitution, etc. That same logic would allow me to shoot anyone that came in my home that I did not like.
thekidcatcher
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So you are not using that to support your statement that 67% are aborted, rather that it is just still a high number?
Do not forget too. That is stricly the number of pregnancies aborted in the city and babies born there. That does not at all take in to account other reasons for it.
It never mentions that these women are actually residents of New York. It is wholly possible that woman are coming from out of area to have the procedure done.
What if they lived in nearby states and an abortion in New York was half the price of all their other home states? Of course there would be an influx to New York to get it done.
Another, what if they went to New York so they did not have to worry about being judged by members in their community? Anonymity is always a factor and what better way to not be seen then go to New York?
Also, how is it known that the baby was African American? It never states the ethnicity of the father. Obviously at minimum it will be 50% African American but to me if you are half of one thing you are not whole of another.
Visit Africa? I have twice. Been around the world really.
Now you have to remember that your information is coming from a biased source that shares the same views as you, which of course makes you more inclined to take it as fact. What would the response be if 100% of those individuals told you that it was in fact the opposite. Would you completely abandon your belief that people disliked the US?
That is not to say that it is not true. I am fully aware that people do not like the United States, it would be ludicrous to think otherwise.
My next question, why condemn them for it? Christianity itself teaches animosity towards other groups, stating they are lesser and going to hell for not believe in the "right god". Do 90% of Christians become terrorist? By far no, luckily people have the choice to choose what they become if they are so inclined. Sure, some follow blindly but I would say the majority do not.
Now you state life. What is alive? You are claiming that a cluster of cells that has no cognitive awareness, is indistinguishable from other animals species, and is not capable of sustaining life on its own is a baby?
I mean I will jump right on-board with some scenarios. Say a woman is in her 8th month, yeah, that lady should not just frivolously decide to get rid of the baby. At that point, its pretty much a person. Then, what if, same situation, the woman realizes she has cancer and can save her own life through treatment but it will kill the baby. So either self preservation or save the baby. I mean it is ultimately that ladies decision and I would not fault her for either.
I feel that no male should have a right to make decisions on abortion as they can never accurately fathom what it is like or how a woman feels making that decision.
Second, religious people should not even attempt to claim that abortion effects their life. If you do not believe in it, do not do it. It is unfair to push ones religious agenda on another and claim that if they do not accept it they have done you wrong.
Who is defining "the weakest"? What about the veterans? Why do you (anyone) get to pick and choose who is "the weakest"?
What does "Make America Great Again" mean to you?
You're very good a missing the point.
TacoXpo
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Believe me, I have picked up more people off of the street. Although I know it makes folks feel warm and fuzzy. Most pan handlers want one thing: Money. They don't want psychological counseling, medical or dental care or housing in many cases. I have seen a good number of folks that have turned their lives around. The company that I worked for 14 years has a top executive that was coaxed off the streets. It takes much more than producing a video. I get the point of the video, if you are asking for handouts, Canada is the place to be.
Believe me, I have picked up more people off of the street. Although I know it makes folks feel warm and fuzzy. Most pan handlers want one thing: Money. They don't want psychological counseling, medical or dental care or housing in many cases. I have seen a good number of folks that have turned their lives around. The company that I worked for 14 years has a top executive that was coaxed off the streets. It takes much more than producing a video. I get the point of the video, if you are asking for handouts, Canada is the place to be.
You've completely missed the point. I ask a simple question that you cannot or will not answer and for that you attempt to insult a country.... if this is your idea "making America great again" you have a very long way to go. The good news is...you are only one person .
Alright; I hate this part of the gig but this thread has run it's course. Please do not dig this up in another thread and thank you all for playing.
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